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Originally posted by Mayflower at 23-8-2007 13:02
I think you probably just haven't found the right mobs for you

Instead, I was thinking about not picking an element.  It seems like you get advantage of more damage and also weak against certain e ...

but every level you get a stats increase, so wouldn't u have less stats for every level that you don't have a element?

Royalite

Well you miss out on the element's benefits.
I know if you are a priest and you don't chose an element you lose out on buffs and summons.  Also the elements have benefits that up your stats like dodge or health or defense.

Also while you take a hit on one element you gain a benefit over another.

But try it out May don't chose a element
You can only have the basic spells for your class though.

Deevah

Ok now my 5 cents. I just can double what tatewaki said.

I always loved the water element for my part, in woq i was the healer in persona.. I had mana enough to keep 10 players alive and yet my mp reg allowed me to never run out of mp.

I tried my waterpriest here and I felt kind of useless cause i've seen Yasira and Hopemed could heal just as good as I could, thanks to the medicine pills that give you full mp every 30 seconds.

So I've made a metal priest and teamed a lot with Yasira and Tatewaki. What Royalite says is right too, up to level 30.
You spirts and bears can't hold any aggro of a mob, but the Paoxiao calls pets from all around and they without exception keep only hitting the Paoxiao. Tate could hit the mobs and they still kept hitting the Paoxiao. Then I turned 30 and got my Zhuyan.. my Zhuyan outdamaged the Paoxiao so every mob around hit my Zhuyan, me, Yasira and Tate could easy kill every mob with some healing the zhuyan every now and then. But the difference from me to Yasira is, that I got +200 more damage on my side.. so when Yasira and me, both killed a mob solo, both had their tanking pets but I killed a mob way faster as she did.

Don't forget we were leveled up to 80 without upgrading our elemental skills. Our Paoxiao's and Zhuyans are still on level 1 of total 5 levels it can grow. If you're level 80 and you Paoxiao's on level 5.. and my Zhuyan too.. we can party and no matter who is in our party, if a metal wizard or an earth wizard, my Zhuyan would hit the mob 2x and gets the aggro until the mob died. So a +defense is useless in that meaning that you just don't need more def, cause you only heal your own pet..

When you choose fire or metal as element on both, priest or paladin you do faster dmg per second or more damage overall, while the priest pet tanks up to 10 mobs same time Since you can't beat most of the bosses alone a paladin won't solo a lot.. meaning he's in party, mostly with a priest anyway cause of the aura, so the earth element to a paladin makes him weaker in the party, damage wise as if he'd chose fire or metal.

The level 40 paladin skill.. +movement speed mean you only move faster, not fight.. if i'd be +attack speed, then yes, then it'll be something that the paladin could use to get the monster's attention, but not if he's in a party with a priest with his strong pet.

Royalite

Well there is shield party with 75% damage reduction >.>
and the +def helps pets.  I assume the shield party will affect pets as well.

While I agree that +60 defense at lvl 6 doesn't seem like a lot.

I know you kept telling me in-game metal priests are better.  However, I am not going to write off earth so easily

I can't speak if earth paladins are good or not.  I don't have any experience with them.

[edit] Metal priest are about speed while earth is about defence.  Of course a metal priest is going to kill faster. =S

[ Last edited by  Royalite at 23-8-2007 16:51 ]

Deevah

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Originally posted by Royalite at 23-8-2007 13:45
Well there is shield party with 75% damage reduction >.>
and the +def helps pets.  I assume the shield party will affect pets as well.

While I agree that +60 defense at lvl 6 doesn't seem like  ...

Sweety ask hopemed and yasira about the jade shield (level 35 earth priest skill) Even tho it says party skill.. you can cast it on one player only and it consumes 99% of your hp and mp. It's not lasting 35 seconds as the skill description says it lasts a max of 10 seconds. The moment you cast it.. you're left with 1% hp and mp, you can't even heal yourself cause of no mana.. if the timing's bad you're dead the moment you casted your shield. I have same problem with my 35er skill but my skill gives you 100% double attack for 35 seconds, nonetheless I've died several times I casted my 35er skill on myself or someone else  


A little comparison:

Water priest level 35 skill = uses 99% of your hp and mp and gives you mp reg of 500% for 10 seconds so you use 99% of your hp and mp to fill up your mp (which a pill can also do)

Wood priest level 35 skill = uses 99% of your hp and gives you 500% hp reg so you use 99% for 10 seconds of you hp to get 100% hp, which a pill also can do.

Firepriest level 35 skill = uses 99% of your hp and mp and gives you 200% attack speed for 35 seconds which no pill can give you.

Earth priest level 35 skill = uses 99% of your hp and mp and gives you 75% damage reduction for 10 seconds, which also no pill can give you.

Metal priest level 35 skill = uses 99% of your hp and mp and gives you 35 seconds of 200% damage done, which no pill can give you.

But now the pet factor added to those skills. Your priestpet tanks; the level 35 is only castable on players not on your pets, I've tried with mine he didn't do double damage if I buffed my Zhuyan. So you can't give your pet 75% damage reduction, you can give it to you.. left with 1% hp and mp while the monsters hit your pet.. or you can give it to another player, while the mobs hit your pet..

If I cast my 35er skill on another player that player does 2x as much damage for 35 seconds while my pets tanks.. same with the firepriest skilll, 200% attack speed is same as double damage at the end.

[ Last edited by  Deevah at 23-8-2007 14:04 ]

©TriMoon™

I correct myself, the riverflow skill is indeed level 45, i have misread it because its hard to see.
But anyway if a pure tank (Earth based Paladin) can't take the damage from monsters at least as well as a summon then there is a balance issue that needs fixing.
Either the Earth-Paladin needs increased defs or the summon you talk about is overpowered.

Its not logical to have a tank-build in game that is less effective at his job as another builds summons...
Its like a tank doing more damage as a wizard if you know what i mean, makes no sense.

But...thats why we testing things, to find problems

Royalite

but everything is attacking your pet so...
Yea I know I am stubborn.  I need to do it myself before I complain about it uselessness.

Deevah

Well here in PDO the aggression of the monsters don't go to the one hitting it first.. no matter if the earth paladin tanks or not.. the monster changes aggression depending on what does more damage.. so if you don't have a priest with level 30 pet.. the wizard gets aggression after a few shots anyway.. there is no way a paladin can do more damage as a wizard So you have 2 choices.. let the priest pet outdamage the wizard and tank or else the wizards plays the tank even tho he has the weakest defense.

I'm also used to play WoW and other games where tanking and being a tank is a complete different definition as in PDO.

Royalite

we die and the wood priest revives!

Wait it only works for one player?
Kinda defeats the name shield party 0.o

[ Last edited by  Royalite at 23-8-2007 17:15 ]

Deevah

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Originally posted by Royalite at 23-8-2007 14:13
we die and the wood priest revives!

Wait it only works for one player?
Kinda defeats the name shield party 0.o

Yeah plus I'm not sure the wood priest can revive.. as far I know that skill didn't want to work and was replaced with 500% hp regeneration.

Royalite

well the rev says coming soon but no idea on that...

but seems like the earth priest shield team needs to be fixed to shield the team.  If I am going suicidal my team better live

©TriMoon™

I know that indeed in most games where the aggro is based on damage done the monsters shift attention.
But the tanks are supposed to have special skills to keep aggro on them even though they don't out-damage the wizards.
Perhaps that skill ain't working as should or there is none ingame atm?

Yasira

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Originally posted by Royalite at 23-8-2007 14:22
well the rev says coming soon but no idea on that...

but seems like the earth priest shield team needs to be fixed to shield the team.  If I am going suicidal my team better live

about the shield....

in the other game i love this shield too cause when i fight against a woodpala  it helps a lot with this shield and my amor i come to 120% dmg reduction. and ve full hp/mp so i can heal or make dmg to win the fight

here in a duell i will never use this shield it would be my death

same in a team if i give this shield tate (for example) here hm... normaly useless cause my pao get aggro, shield dont works at pet and without mana i cant heal it so why i should use the shield?
maybe its a option if u dont loose hp/mp when a priest cast the 35er skill so this skill ve a better chance to help the team for all priests.

if for all teammember or only for 1 that doesnt care i think butthe loosing of hp/mp is really hm... its not really helpful

yasira

©TriMoon™

120% damage reduction?
You mean you are reflecting 20% damage back, or you get healed for 20% of his damage?
100% would be total damage elimination...

[ Last edited by  Â©TriMoonâ„¢ at 24-8-2007 13:55 ]

Yasira

no
that game take only the 100% reduction so no reflec or hp back. The game was kind of buggy so the extra 20% did not count but i had 120%^^